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Rhum Agricole

Fresh sugar cane juice rhum from the French islands.


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Old 11-08-2007, 12:21 AM   #1
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Default Rhum Baita???

Has anyone tried Rhum Baita? Just got a bottle but have to fly it home in my luggage before sampling. Thanks!

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Old 11-08-2007, 09:16 AM   #2
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Where did you purchase this rhum? Which Island is it distilled on?
Please give more of a description.
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Old 11-08-2007, 02:01 PM   #3
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I've seen a couple of bottles of different bottles of Rhum Baita. This product is bottled and colored in France where it is used mostly for cooking. Although I have seen other websites claiming that this is an ingredient in a ti punch, it is not rhum agricole and doesn't claim to be.
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Thanks Edward. Hank, I bought a bottle in Denver at Davidson's Liquor. It was an old faded dusty bottle stuck in with the agricoles. The label claims Martinique origin and French bottling. As Edward has put forth in another post, this info must be decoded and might not really have its beginnings in Martinique. I'll give it a swill and if its bad, then, marinade it will become!

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Old 11-09-2007, 09:54 AM   #5
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Thanks for the replies. I was just curious that this might have been an agricole I was not aware of. It does not sound like a very good drinking product. I will be interested to see how you think it tastes.
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Old 11-09-2007, 12:42 PM   #6
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I was just curious that this might have been an agricole I was not aware of.
The question of what is agricole and what is not is a common one. First agricole is a French word that when used with the word rhum means that it was made from fresh sugar cane juice, not sugar cane syrup, crystalline sugar or molasses.

There is a common misconception that if a spirit is a product of France that it is rhum agricole. So how do you know if it's rhum agricole or something else?

If the rum was bottled in Guadeloupe, Martinique or Marie Galante the label will say rhum agricole. Other designations you might see are rhum traditionnel, grand arome or something other than rhum agricole. If the rum was produced in Martinique and is rhum agricole it will have an AOC, Appelation d’Origine Contrфlйe, mark on the bottle. Martinique is the only geographic area in the world with an AOC mark similar to the designation for cognac and champagne.


If the rum was bottled in France the question takes on other dimensions. There are rums which are being imported to the US, but not sold in Martinique or France which aren't rhum agricole but claim to be. So how can a consumer know what is really rhum agricole and what isn't? Again, look for the words rhum agricole and the AOC mark. Last year I began seeing imports to the US with a designation of Appelation Rum Controlee, a mark that was recently changed to Appelation Rhum Controlee. To this date I have been unable to determine where this spirit labeled 'Martinique Rhum Agricole' was distilled.

Additionally, aged rhum agricole will bear the designation rhum vieux if it is rhum agricole which has been aged more than three years. Rhum brun simply means brown rum annd shouldn't be confused with aged rhum agricole.

To this date I am not aware of any rhum agricole which is bottled in France under anything other than a distillery name from the French islands. If you don't find the name of a distillery on the bottle chances are it is a private label blended from molasses-based spirits.
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Old 11-09-2007, 06:24 PM   #7
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Thanks Ed! I have some knowledge about agricole, but these pieces of info you share are valuable as they are not commonly known. I might have fallen for that spirit as agricole if I came across it. I will be looking carefully at labels when I buy agricole. I don't suppose you would share the name?
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Among the rums labels that don't include a distillery name and for which I have not been able to determine the distiller are Kaniche Martinique, Kaniche Guadeloupe, neither of these rums are sold in the islands or France, and the Chauffe Coeur rums. There is also a Rum Martinique from Mexico that is appearing on a few store shelves in the US.

On the back of the Chauffe Coeur rums there this statement "The Rums from Chauffe Coeur are exclusively "agricultural rums", which means that they are made solely with sugars from the sugarcane." Actually, rhum agricole is made only from freshly squeezed sugar cane juice and not just sugar from sugar cane.

I would like to learn more about these rhums and where they are distilled but have been unable to do so from any of the importers that have handled these products to date.

By definition, rum is made from sugar cane sugars which can be in the form of sugar cane juice, sugar cane syrup, molasses or any other byproduct of the sugar cane plant.

It is not my intention to discredit these or any other rums, but I have yet to be able to find the distillery where these rums are made. If they are rhum agricole from Martinique they would have an AOC mark and not "Appelation Rhum Controlee" on the front label.

You can see other labels on the public US Government website where Certificates of Label Approval (COLAS) can be seen. Simply search for "Martinique" or any other word in the Product Name field of the form, you can leave the rest blank. For older label approvals, you won't be able to see the actual labels, on newer certificates clicking the Printable Version link on the upper right will allow you to see the actual labels.
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I have considered purchasing these rums online, both the Kaniche and Chaffe Coeur. I am glad I held off, because I might thought they were agricole. I am not saying I would not try these rums, but I would want to know what type of rum I was drinking. Thanks For the info, Ed. The rhums I have from Martinque all have the appellation and the Gualaloupe rhums have the bottled at the distillery designations, some with addresses.
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Both of the Kaniche rums are actually quite good. While not unique enough or spectacular enough to warrant excessive effort in getting them, they hold their own quite well.
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