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Old 09-21-2008, 10:28 AM   #1
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Reading this statement i wonder what sort of Havana Club this is?

"Bacardi has purchased the rights and original recipe from the originators (the Arechabala family, who fled Cuba with the recipe) of Havana Club Rum, and will begin to produce it for distribution in the U.S.

This new Bacardi version utilizes the original (Pre-1960) recipe, and is a different version than what the Cuban Government currently produces."
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Old 09-21-2008, 02:07 PM   #2
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The result is a clear, smooth spirit that is equivalent to the platinum version of Bacardi Silver. In the US, Bacardi does not seem to be promoting this product much, if at all.

Ironically, Bacardi's outrageous success at promoting their base line rum has all but prevented superior white rums form succeeding in the market, including their own premium. Consumers gladly pay big bucks for expensive vodka, tequila, scotch, bourbon and whiskey, but scoff at the idea of paying more than $20 for a premium white rum. This skewed perspective could be attributed to the general market believing that average white rum is good enough for the purpose it serves -- to add faint alcoholic content to coke and fruit drinks. So, where is the Grey Goose of white rum?

Who will break through this barrier and bring a successful premium white rum to the market? 10 Cane, Oronoco, Elements 8, Prichard's, Rubi Rey, the new El Dorado Three Year Old Cask Age, and Diplomatico Rum Blanco are all potential contenders for the title of the Great White Rum.
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Old 09-21-2008, 02:41 PM   #3
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"The Great White", nice pun Robert .
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Old 09-21-2008, 03:25 PM   #4
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The Bacardi Havana Club has been out, in Florida, for a couple of years. The BHC is a really good silver rum. I suspect that there is some connection between it and the higher proof Ruby Rey, very similar in taste. It makes a great mojito or daiquiri since it is definitley not a near-neutral spirit like the Bacardi Superior Silver. The bottle is a work of art, too! Luckily, I have a wealthly well-heeled benefactor in Florida who keeps me supplied!

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Old 09-21-2008, 05:20 PM   #5
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So Bacardi`s Havana Club has the Arechabala family recipe and these are two entirely different products just being marketed under the same name.

So who have tasted both Havana Clubs?

I bet the one made in Cuba is the better tasting rum..but hasn´t there also been a better pre-Castro version made in Cuba?
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Old 09-21-2008, 06:44 PM   #6
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This skewed perspective could be attributed to the general market believing that average white rum is good enough for the purpose it serves -- to add faint alcoholic content to coke and fruit drinks.

So, where is the Grey Goose of white rum? to the market?
That skewed perspective has largely been promoted by Bacardi and Serralles, with great success to their base line.

And they are to be recognized for that. They both produce a very high quality, highly rectified spirit which mixes well for most, and they also produce some well aged examples of light Puerto Rican rum.

As you know, Grey Goose Vodka is owned by Bacardi. It sells down here for $US 38.00, and flies off the shelf. Why would Bacardi try to cut into that profit margin by displacing it with a product that would challenge a market share it already has a niche in?

I'm all for seeing high quality white rum come to the market. Especially if it's not a Chupacabra in sheep's clothing.
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The Bacardi guys view vodka as their biggest competition to Bacardi Superior. This is the main reason they bought out their flavoured rums and purchased Grey Goose. They were one of the bidders on Absolut aswell, but for them, unfortunately lost out. They don't have an entry level vodka and this would have been a great purchase for them.
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To be clear, I don't know if the BHC really has any connection to original Havana Club. Yes, I have read what Bacardi claims regarding the recipe, but, that just could be advertising. I've tasted 1940's Havana Club dry silver from a previously unopened bottle and it was full of flavor for a white rum. The BHC is NOT that rum, for sure. So many other factors go into the making of a rum besides a recipe. Origin of the cane, soil, climate for growth and aging, etc. all are factors that affect taste. The BHC is a flavorful smooth rum. The modern, now defunct, Havana Club Silver Dry is the closest in taste to the BHC. The Havana Club Blanco Anejo is in another class, layers of flavor. Maybe forrest can weigh in with his thoughts. Some weeks back I supplied him with some BHC and Ruby Rey.????

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So many other factors go into the making of a rum besides a recipe. Origin of the cane, soil, climate for growth and aging, etc. all are factors that affect taste.
So right, how many of us remember the original Havana Club made in Cuba?
I was minus 12 when Socialism spoiled our rum supply from Cuba. So who knows how it would really taste back then. It is just a few guys trying to get back at Fidel after all these years. But is sure a great looking bottle.
Even though I live within spitting distance of Cuba we don't really have any Cuban rums here.
PS. Thanks Rumdog007 for the Vizcaya, I'm sitting here with my first glass, pretty good stuff. How do you get all your rum in that shopping trolley???
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Old 09-21-2008, 10:16 PM   #10
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I remember not long ago being told that the Bacardi being made in Puerto Rico was being made according to the original recipe that they took with them from Cuba. It sounds like the new marketing people didn't review the old files.

Did Bacardi come from Cuba, set up shop in Puerto Rico and begin making rum according to some new recipe they borrowed from someone else?
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